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Bethesda Sues Warner Bros over Westworld game and WB Responds

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Bethesda has filed a lawsuit against Behavior Interactive and Warner Bros. over the new Westworld mobile game claiming it is a clone of the Fallout Shelter game and uses it’s code, violating Bethesda’s copyright and making use of their intellectual property to create a competing product. WB has, of course, denied all allegations.
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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Nazrat84

    Go figure, Bethesda finds out about theft of their proprietary code via BUGS AND GLITCHES

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Yoshihiro TPA Gamer productions 667

    Valt boy made it in smash but into a Mii gunner costume. just letting you know that when min min was out with an paid dlc update

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    GoldenSchnatz

    CANT HANDLE COMPETITION AND SOMEONE IMPROVING YOUR OWN SHITTY PRODUCT?

    SUEEEEEE THEM!!!!!!!!!

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Gold Crusader

    Dude! Westworld was way different than fallout shelter!

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    ICFDaveHere

    Clones are pretty cool Captain rex is my favorite

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Henry Spencer

    I'm playing both games right now, and they really are not that similar in the gameplay.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    vsGoliath

    Wait, beHavior made Eternal Crusade? Now I'm not surprised they were lazy and reused codes and assets. Eternal Crusade is garbage.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    FifinatorKlon

    It's cute how they believe either game is relevant in any way.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    oberon oberon

    @SidAlpha: Note: The "Shopping at the same store" could even be the studio itself if:
    1) The engine/Framework was developed before they were hired for shelter.
    (Sometimes called "In-House-Engine")
    2) Depending on the contract ("out of scope" / not part of the hire) but parallel to shelter.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Bumbu Cristi

    Well, if they find the same bugs in both games, odds are that they used the same code. If they can prove it, that should be a case right there.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    PierraNova

    I'm alright with clones of other games so long as they're honest about it and they don't directly copy game assets and such.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Crash Underride

    "No I'm not kidding, that's actually the channel name" made me crack up. 😀

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Thorvald ter Meer

    As a game dev. who has worked on contracted game, it comes down to the contract. Usually, a special clause is set to mark which is the property of the contractor and which is just licensed. The fault always lies on the studio, they need to specify that the game engine is licensed but that still hold the right so they can use it on other project. If they did not do that, they can loose everything. So Bethesda might be able win to this.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Seven Proxies

    "shopping at the same store is not a crime". Spot on!

    And I think courts need to move away from giving a damn if developers used similar assets, templates or whatever. These things should not even be covered by copyright at all. Because what kind of industry will we end up with?

    What if one giant developer decides to buy up all the rights and ownership of all templates or assets im existence as a means to beat out the competition?

    What then happens if another game developer builds their game from scratch, but some of their code is "too similar" to the template or asset that the other company owns. Should they then be sued for plagiarism, even though the smaller developer might not have looked at the code of any other assets when creating theirs?

    To make an analogy to the music industry, this would be like one company buying the exclusive rights to use certain tones, or musical notes. Any other musician trying to sell a song including one of the "copyrighted" tones will be sued for copyright violation.

    We do not need a gaming industry where the basic building blocks for making games fall under copyright protection.

    What should be protected is the more intangible aspects like story, setting, concept of the game, game mechanics etc. These are more relevant for exploration in court cases to determine plagiarism and copyright violation.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    BaZERGer

    Using premade modules for creating a game gives the person hiring the rights to all the modules used in it? That seems like an absurd reality, basically means they can't make their own code, and then do work for someone, cause everything they've used suddenly becomes the property of someone else.

    By Occam's razor, there would be a case though, as the simplest solution would be taking the already existing code and fitting it for the new project.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Vince O

    Seems pretty cut and dry that WB knew what they were doing and wanted a clone either by reuse of code or reuse of experience. WB probably expected to fight it in court. They are a legal powerhouse and likely budgeted for this.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Meme lord 27

    Copyright of any idea or software is prevention of progression of ideas and tech.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    vawlkus

    Interesting….. there's more to this than I thought. Good work Sid.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Patrick patrick

    Wow, awesome research Sid. that is an issue that may need to be solved in the long run. It may even solve clones in steam that steam refuses to resolve.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    Admiral Thunderbunny

    Try opening up the APK files in a coding program (like Python). I'd wager that there are more than a few similarities (such as using the same variables and library reference numbers).

    This wouldn't be the first time someone forgot to clear the rights to an engine that their company made as Work for Hire before giving their team the green light to use it . . .

    My money says that Behavior is guilty due to the failure of 1-3 people slacking off and then doubling down on stupid to try to keep their jobs.

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  • July 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    roadle32111

    It's pretty clear that it's a copy paste. Bethesda's real issue is making it look like a crime.

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